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  • posted a message on [Primer] B/x Devotion
    I really like your list. I especially like the side board. If I had 1 critique, I don't like 3 kill spells at sorcery speed. What do we think about Mogis Marauder? Seems like forcing damage through, plus gary, plus RR could steal some games.
    Posted in: Mono Black Devotion
  • posted a message on [Primer] B/x Devotion
    Very true civil. I just watched a match where MBD was splashing red and lost 2-0 to monsters. Should we be main decking ultimate price? Or even doom blade?? I know devour flesh is for blood baron but how much are we seeing of that card? What other mutli-color creatures scare us?
    Posted in: Mono Black Devotion
  • posted a message on [Primer] B/x Devotion
    I thought the point of running red was to main deck the RR. Besides any red deck variant the card is crazy to play with. Between gray merchant and RR. They are dead within 2 turns. I also like the 1 of Erebos in the main. I played E-Fro's list Saturday and RR was backbreaking against esper. As a 2 of you won't get stuck with both in your hand too often and it's really the main reason to run red. I might be cutting a pack rat for a dreadbore. I don't have enough experience with it yet. I would to hear result soviet when you are done.
    Posted in: Mono Black Devotion
  • posted a message on [Primer] B/x Devotion
    I have been playing with the red splash verion for about 3 days. Rakdos return is REALLY good. I have since been debating about trying to fit a dreadbore in the main. E-Fro's deck played zero pack rats and a bunch of one of's. I currently took a land, a lifebne zombie, the whip, and the dreadbore out of the main for 4x pack rat. E-Fro was playing zero pack rats. Its running really well and we have access to slaughter games and sire of insanity in the board. I like it. What would you main deck for blue? Oh yeah and no specter main either.

    Edit: I have been fishing this deck and the way it's been running I think the 4x pack rats hurt more than they help. Any suggestions on what to play instead? I agree with enzie that the devotion count seems too low. I am also playing 25 lands which seems to be working fine. What about only running 2 pack rats? I just don't know with everyone gunning for pack rat if it's worth running it anymore. At least in this version.
    Posted in: Mono Black Devotion
  • posted a message on [Primer] B/x Devotion
    Is rakdos keyrune what we want to be doing on turn 3? Cutting the 2 guildgates puts us 24 land which is way too low in my opinion.I like the look of this deck as well, which puts my previous notion of not splashing a color completely incorrect. Of course E-Fro is an exponentially better player than I but that is neither here or there. I agree with enzie that the devotion count make be too low.
    Posted in: Mono Black Devotion
  • posted a message on [Primer] B/x Devotion
    Also correct MH. It's nice to be able to cast something of theirs, but keeping them off the cards is the most important thing.
    Posted in: Mono Black Devotion
  • posted a message on [Primer] B/x Devotion
    Both axman and I have decided to play the NVS. It's makes better sense. 1 extra devotion, evasion, good against aggro, and steals cards. Also for those of you trimming a connections. This is 100% incorrect. It wins the mirror, it's the bag way to get ahead of the controls decks andets you serch for Gary. There should be 4 in the main.
    Posted in: Mono Black Devotion
  • posted a message on [Primer] B/x Devotion
    I am in complete agreement with Krovax on this. Trying to push an esper deck in MBD forum seems like a waste of time. If it's working for you great but the majority of us here are brainstorming ways to make the MBD deck better. I am going to exculsively test the zombie tonight to help make my decision. I did take out a connections and a LAND last night to MD 2x lifebanes and I did like it when I saw it. Maybe everyone else is right and zombie is the way to go.
    Posted in: Mono Black Devotion
  • posted a message on [Primer] B/x Devotion
    I don't know what to say anymore about this ax. I'm still undecided. It is a faster clock but it's really bad vs aggro and more specifically against any burn deck.
    Posted in: Mono Black Devotion
  • posted a message on [Primer] B/x Devotion



    Quote from sovietbacon
    Quote from PJ I
    There is no way the matchup is worse against everything except monsters. It's better than mono black because of blood baron. We have all the same kill spells as the mono black deck does with is fine against aggro and rw. Don't see where you are coming from soviet. And if you are splashing 2 colors, then you are losing the consistency from mono black.


    I'm a little confused. What does Blood Baron have to do with anything?

    As for the splashes, I actually lose very little consistency. I essentially end up trading 2-4 life per game (but usually 2) from shocks and a couple black sources (at any given moment, I could be at either 18 or 19) for more raw power.


    Statistically running 3 colors is not more consistent than running one color. And if you are running 3 colors it makes your gray merchants worse. I don't know if splashing white is the answer. I also think that Krovax brings up the best point. The mono black deck is so consistent that it's hard to try and add different cards because it just doesn't make sense. It's so tight it's best to leave it alone. I'm still flip-flopping between zombie and specter. I honestly don't know which way to go. I beat a Gw deck tonight and took 6 cards with my nightveil. I could only cast his plains but that was 6 cards he did not have access to. An unanswered specter does a lot of work. Now on the complete opposite side the zombies would have been way better in that matchup. Still torn, still don't know which one I'm main decking.
    Posted in: Mono Black Devotion
  • posted a message on [Primer] B/x Devotion
    There is no way the matchup is worse against everything except monsters. It's better than mono black because of blood baron. We have all the same kill spells as the mono black deck does with is fine against aggro and rw. Don't see where you are coming from soviet. And if you are splashing 2 colors, then you are losing the consistency from mono black.
    Posted in: Mono Black Devotion
  • posted a message on [Primer] B/x Devotion
    My honest thoughts ax are splashing for white. Sometimes I feel great with the deck and it can do no wrong. And other times I feel like I can't win a single match up. With the white splash we all the same the things and are better against the mono black decks. We can face pact rat, gain life with blood baron, have all the same removal and main the lifebane zombie. We can side all the same things and also revoke existence for any enchantment( thassa counts too)
    Posted in: Mono Black Devotion
  • posted a message on [Primer] B/x Devotion
    My head is also swimming here boys. Play tested today for another 4 hours or so. I again had trouble with gr monsters losing more than half the games. I split with u/w ephara today as well. I did beat the hex proof deck 4 games in a row. Here is where I'm at, we are going to see a lot of that r/w burn deck. It's been picking up speed as of late and just won the star city open. Coming in quietly at 10th was the hex proof deck. We are also going to see a lot of that in Cinncy. I think devour flesh might have to be a 4 of. I was talking with some people and whip of Erebos might be good coming out of the board. If I'm right and we do see a lot of rw burn at Cinncy, the whip is back breaking. I know I said I was set on nightveil, but after today I feel like we have a much better game 1 vs rg monsters. But that of course weakens out game against the rw burn deck. They can just shock the life bane and to be honest it's not that great of a blocker anyway. Thoughts gentlemen?
    Posted in: Mono Black Devotion
  • posted a message on [Primer] B/x Devotion
    Quite honestly he was on the pack rat plan, BUT making 4 rats by turn four with a Mutavault up is pretty lucky. But that's what this thread has been all about. Free wins through pack rat. Getting online before they can even get going. Ax can you get the second match on the thread?

    Just saw game 2. The jund player had to mulligan but again he started with pact rat and the jund player had to waste his turn using dreadbore. The follow up play was lifebane and then he thoughtseized the garruk away.

    Bottom line ax you need to leave those pact rats in I think.
    Posted in: Mono Black Devotion
  • posted a message on [Primer] B/x Devotion
    Duxx, pharika's cure is really bad right now. The only thing it hits in the mirror is a naked pack rat. It hits nothing in g/r monsters ( besides the mana dorks, but so does bile blight) and it is nit good vs mono blue. Blight is better to get multiple creatures. The cure should be blight blight for sure.
    Posted in: Mono Black Devotion
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