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  • posted a message on UR Prison - "The Grindfather"
    Ohhhh whir for amulet with grapeshot’s storm trigger on the stack? Nasty.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on UR Prison - "The Grindfather"
    Cleansing nova is bad news for us. I think we prey on this effect being marginal.

    I think Alpine Moon is going to be really good. In conjunction with sphere and our existing interaction with tron it puts even more pressure on their nature’s claims which is a 2-3 of at most. I’m more excited for this than sphere.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on UR Prison - "The Grindfather"
    So two things:

    ALPINE MOON!

    Thank god for this card. Helps vs valakut/tron so so much. I think this really buys us a lot of wiggle room. So happy this card got printed.

    Secondly:

    I went 3-1 in a win a box, i lost to blue living end. Game one I crushed him. Game two he just played out spinxes into my ensnaring bridge. I had a spellskite, a whir, bottled cloister, a chalice on two for the hurkyl’s recalls in his hand and I felt like I had a pretty good shot at winning the game. During his upkeep in response to my bottled cloister trigger he hurkyl’s recalled me, stifled the chalice trigger, I whirred for witchbane orb to counter recall by giving myself hexproof and he crypric counters and bounces my bottled cloister. That was a bad bad bad beat. In game three I was basically too tilted to do anything.

    Blood moon and crypric decks are very tough for us to beat. I wish coyle would come out of hiding so I could pick his brain on the topic. Defense grid seems good and aether grids seem pretty good. I’ll bet there’s just some big dumb card that can crush them. Totally open to some
    Card archivists weighing in.

    Now that big mana decks get a very relevant SB card I think we can call cryptic public enemy #1
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on UR Prison - "The Grindfather"
    @youwillnowexplode I’m playing counters because everyone started playing shatterstorm in my meta, and while this deck is great it does allow your opponent unfettered access to a large portion of their deck, so I was getting shatterstorms cast against me multiple times in a tournament. That’s my reasoning for having them.

    I like your padeem reasoning, now that you mention it he’s never been lights out for me in the post-spellskite iteration.

    Not sure about the pyroclasms. I don’t feel like it does what the deck wants to do, but please keep testing and if it keeps being amazing I’ll definitely try a few out.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on UR Prison - "The Grindfather"
    Yeah, it’s definitely a niche deck which I think is a good thing.

    I think the control matchups are pretty good for the most part because of the land desteuction element. I’m definitely going to try that change, the number of fetches seems awkward and honestly so does his cascade bluffs. A point of life is usually not the thing that kills you, and being able to EE for more with spire of industry has come in handy a lot for me.

    After more thought on what I think is the worst matchup, blue moon - I think the main fight is over blood moon. That we’re the control deck and having the nonbasics gives us inevitability.

    I have been playing swan song in the SB, and I’m thinking of making room for a surgical or two for the tron/valakut matchups.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on UR Prison - "The Grindfather"
    Anyone still running this? How’s it looking? Susurrus has stopped streaming and it’s not popular on twitch anymore - just wondering if it’s from The community’s ADD or if people have a bit more awareness of the build. You guys finding anything?
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on UBx Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas Control
    Yeah, for all the souls’ good tech it has been clunky more than I’d hoped. And Jund seems to be sinking in popluarity. Maybe a strong SB option though.

    Hoogland played a deck with some interesting tech: spoils of the vault and pull from eternity paired with serum powder and gemstone caverns. He was trying to do a zany reanimator thing with it, but using spoils to get a thopter foundry and then being able to pull from reality if we exile a sword could be potentially a whole new level of consistency.

    Posted in: Control
  • posted a message on UR Prison - "The Grindfather"
    I drew against a blue moon deck in the finals ofan LGS tourney. Crytpic just makes the matchup feel hella bad and siding in metallic rebuke and swan song didn't help much. Anyone have any plan for this deck? Is it just like a 30/70 for us?
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on UR Prison - "The Grindfather"
    Yeah, mardu and R/U you have to fetch basic islands and be modest with your exp maps, but it shouldn’t be backbreaking. If not for our non basics being vital to our tutor loop we could side moon.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on UBx Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas Control
    An important interaction with EE for humans matchup: EE checks any mana you spend to cast, so against Thalia you can cast it for “one” pay the Thalia tax and have it come out w two sunburst for 2 mana.
    Posted in: Control
  • posted a message on UR Prison - "The Grindfather"
    I have put an aethergrid into my main in place of the third welding jar which I moved to the side, two is usually enough with academy ruins g1. I trimmed a defense grid and aether
    Grid in SB for a jester’s cap and metallic rebuke because this store’s meta is a lot more tempo blue/land based.

    My only loss was to a chord deck because I got down aether grid and got so excited to ping hierarchs that I only left a U and one artifact for improvise for the metallic rebuke in my hand. He then, obviously, top decked the stony silence. That shut off my jar skite bridge board and whirred for a pridemage. Cool.

    It made me think - can that metallic rebuke not just be a swan song? Everything that really hurts is inst/sorc/enchantment. Has anyone toyed with that in the SB? Is the swan a downside?

    Possessed Portal won me all of my matches tonight as well. I really think not having one in the 75 is wrong. You don’t even need crucible. You can just rewind the game back trading your redundant perms for their stuff and when you’re good just sac the portal and resume the game. It’s just a hella powerful card that people scoop to when maybe they shouldn’t.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on UBx Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas Control
    @zombeav I played the deck for a few months. I think it’s really cool if you’re a tight control player. It’s trading combo-y whir strategy for pound for pound opposing strategy devastation.

    In my mind it’s the closest we can come to a Shota-style PW control deck.

    When you lose it’s because your deck just sputters out or gives very unsmooth draws, but it’s quite good against creature strategies and combo decks from the jump.

    I have more fun with the UR tez prison build because it gives me more control over my strategy, so if I lose I can reflect on my choices.

    The downside is that when you win you utterly grind your opponent down, and it doesn’t ever feel like a clear win - so you will encounter a lot of very tilted opponents salting you which I didn’t love.

    Posted in: Control
  • posted a message on UR Prison - "The Grindfather"
    ^ well put

    Also it’s important to note that you have to have a fundamental and deep understanding of the meta and cardpool of modern to play this deck well. If you can’t anticipate what your opponent’s 75 is going to be to a degree of certainty this deck will never win for you.

    The good news is, magic is designed for you to have fun without having to play a complex knowledge-fueled prison puzzle deck.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on UR Prison - "The Grindfather"
    In retrospect I think that attacking the control player’s manabase is most important. I have tried getting cloister out before but I think it’s probably crucible/spyglasses as top priority because one well-timed cryptic/echoing truth can spell the beginning of the end.

    The matchup doesn’t feel even close to unwinnable, I just think they will never stop having a dangerous top of their deck - so setting up a permanent defensive position isn’t possible.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on UR Prison - "The Grindfather"
    In my playtesting the deck is solid and wins for me a lot. I had a weakness to blue and big mana decks which I shored up by shaving a SB card for a posessed portal.

    I’ve been talking to the community of players who have been developing this, and collectively we’ve tried most of the reasonable suggestions you’ve made (like serach for azcanta which doesn’t do enough to warrant a slot)

    One of the hardest parts of the deck is balancing the powerful colorless lands with enough U and not being crushed by blood moon. So I don’t like adding Black and Green and a colorless mill land that helps win a fraction sooner than rivulet, which has never been too slow to win once I have the game locked up with things like maindeck chalices and tormod’s crypt which is VERY good vs delve, snapcasters, bloodghasts/phoenixes, griselbrand, living end, storm

    So that’s why I said keep testing your changes - if you start winning let us know. In my experiences I will try zero of your suggested changes because they don’t do anything to help the deck as I understand it.

    The beautiful thing about magic is that it’s customizable - and if you start winning with your changes I’ll be happy for you and it would add gravity to your suggested changes.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
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