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  • posted a message on Esper Brain in a Jar Control/Combo
    Great results Slippaz! Good to see good results with the deck.

    I can definitely see including Intangible Virtue in my list. It actually seems very powerful, because it does two things we want to accomplish with our tokens.

    One, we want to end the game quickly. doubling the token size makes a massive difference, and it shortens the clock considerably.

    Two, it makes us less vulnerable to ground threats. One of my problems in testing is I can't attack because the backswing from my opponent will just kill me. Intangible Virtue completely solves that problem while also being a more reliable card than Hour of Reckoning.

    Sorin is extremely hard to deal with in my experience. I've played games where a resolved Sorin and a Shambling Vent bring my opponent back from the Dead. I'll try him out.

    Spell Pierce does seem really good at the moment.

    Far // Away seems good when Infect or Bant Eldrazi reach the top.

    Want to note that GoST is a really good sideboard option against control opponents. It can really catch them off guard. It also helps in a lot of our bad matchups like Tron, Storm, and other unfair decks.

    Hey, another idea for a list is Sultai.
    Sultai could be a good list for Ancestral Visions and down dirty for an attrition engine.

    And if we're getting super crazy, we could build a four color list for bring to light.
    I can see a Witch (UBWG) list being fun. Trying to take advantage of Bring to light, down dirty, ancestral visions, and Beck Call all in one list.

    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on Esper Brain in a Jar Control/Combo
    Quote from Slippaz »
    Will def post the list as soon as I get home. Sorry about that. Played a couple games with it last night and it at least felt explosive if not stable.

    On the downm/dirty note, when you say it works with Sram's, do you mean you can actually target the expertise card with Dirty, or do you mean that the fuse works generally? Because Dirty targets as it goes on the stack, so the expertise isn't in the yard yet to target...I think? If you can do it I'd be really interested in why that works.

    Edit to add the SCG decklist:



    Thanks for posting. I might be wrong on the Down // Dirty front. I was basing it off of Eternal Witness working with Expertises, but now that I think about it, it shouldn't work since E wit triggers when it enters. Dang, thought something good was going on there. Still though, a fuzed Down Dirty plus 3 1/1s or wiping the board is almost always enough to get you back in a hard game.

    That list definitely looks strong. I'm just afraid of it going too far into the combo plan. Ancestral visions is a great card advantage engine, just not sure if it's redundant with Beck // Call in the deck. I think I'd probably rather Fuse Far // Away or some other card that takes the pressure off. I can see playing it in a deck with Yahenni's Expertise, but then the token plan seems counterintuitive.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on Esper Brain in a Jar Control/Combo
    Looked up the interaction, Down // Dirty does work with Sram's. Although I'm thinking Yahenni's might have a good place in a list that grinds the game like that.

    Can you post the token list for reference? Don't have SCG premium.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on Bird Pox
    Quote from FuneralofGod »
    I think it are underestimating Ancestral Vision into Smallpox. Pox delays the game, slowing things down to ensure you don't fall behind while you're waiting to draw those extra cards.

    Personally, I love this brew. Nice innovation OP. I'm gonna test some lists and provide feedback

    I can't help but feel like Kari Zev's Expertise would be better than Yahenni. I guess then it wouldn't be able to cast Catch/Release though. I'm gonna try replacing Catch with Kari rather than run both. Kari into Smallpox is just nasty. And without catch, she can cast just about any other card in the deck.

    Here's where I'm starting at:




    There's a lot of power behind Kari Zev's Expertise into smallpox. Being able to take control of a creature and then sac it is awesome. Be careful using it though, Yahenni's or Sram's is much better in a vacuum. If you or your opponent doesn't control a creature you can't cast it without it fizzling. The latter two, while more expensive, are also more reliable. If you want to run Kari Zev's I would in the sideboard, or you can alter your list to include more creatures so you can be more consistent.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on Esper Brain in a Jar Control/Combo
    Quote from Slippaz »
    Yeah I think it's a strong card in the right context, but besides not getting extra value I think the issue is that running Jar efficiently requires you to run as few creatures as possible, so Rise is automatically kind of limited. I'd have a gard time even fitting in 4 Snaps just to do the "bounce my own Snap get one back from the yard" stuff that Grixis sometimes landed when it ran one R//F. Because of that, I think Esper Charm is more appropriate as a "discard two" since the other two modes are both good. Also being able to drawstep it without Jar (and off Snap) is a big plus, even if the "random" factor on Fall can be a blowout. Definitely reasonable, though.

    I think there's also theoretically a primarily Abzan deck in here as well. Maelstrom Pulse and Lingering Souls are both really good with Jar. My main concern is with not running much in the way of card selection, but the deckbuilding options are decent at least--IMO probably tied with Esper with the best (especially since we need at least two of WUG to be prominent so we can hardcast beck // call).


    Having the ability to hardcast Call is pretty important in my opinion. It adds some inevitability to the deck. Lingering Souls can be played in esper as well, It's not exclusive to abzan. In fact, I have a playset in the sideboard. If we play abzan or bant, I can see playing cantrip creatures to take advantage of beck.

    Here's an idea for a bant list:




    I can also see turning that list into an Intruder Alarm deck.


    Here's an idea for an abzan list. In my opinion, the two big assets to playing abzan are being able to loop Eternal Witness with Sram's Expertise, and Down // Dirty



    Abzan seems to have the most variety of fuse cards.

    The fuse cards worth considering.

    Alive // Well seems very strong. Not only does it let us gain a ton of life if needed, it also gets us a 3/3 for the first jar activation.

    Wear // Tear would be okay if we were in those colors. Generally you bring it in for one of its modes, not both, so its not great.

    Supply // Demand is better than it looks. It triggers beck with it's Supply mode as much as you'd like. It also means you can cast demand off of jar's second activation because supply is 2 mana. Demand searches for Beck // Call, thats why you'd want it. If you're going all in in cantrip to victory then this is a card you'll want to run.

    Down // Dirty seems like a great attrition engine. Imagine casing this off of Sram's Expertise or Yahenni's Expertise. You either get to stall the board or wipe the board, then you make your opponent discard two, and you can get back any card, or the expertise you just cast. Needs testing, but seems very powerful to me.

    Pure // Simple Bogles hate.

    Ready // Willing is great for dealing with boardwipes, or against creature heavy aggro decks where deathtouch and lifelink make it impossible for your opponents to get anything done. I especially like this as a combat trick with vial. You cast both sides, get to untap your creatures, and give them indestructible, lifelink and deathtouch. That's just nasty.

    Profit // Loss just play zealous persecution.

    Crime // Punishment is really interesting. You can cast Crime on vial's second activation , or off a expertise, which might be good in a Thoughtseize shell. What's interesting though is I'm pretty sure you can cast punishment for 0 off of jar or Expertise, wiping the board of 0 drops and tokens. Helps against lingering souls. Super secret affinity hate.

    Hit // Run seems like a good finisher. You'd have to play either Birds of Paradise or jund colors to make it good though.

    Trial // Error doesn't do enough in esper to warrant an inclusion.

    Breaking // Entering will make us into an all in combo deck. Check out this article if you want to go down that road.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on Esper Brain in a Jar Control/Combo
    Quote from D90Dennis14 »
    Has anyone considered Rise // Fall with Brain ? Getting to choose whichever mode you need with Brain seems pretty good.

    "Rise" can be cast even without Brain and can bounce an opponent's creature (or your own S.Mage) and get back a dead Snapcaster Mage and "Fall" can be a kind of Hymn to Tourach with Brain in instant speed.


    Part of what makes Brain and the Expertises so effective is they can fuse the cards. It becomes much less powerful if you can't. Both of the effects seem pretty mediocre in the shell. Not to say it doesn't warrant testing, I could be completely wrong. My gut tells me it doesn't do enough for the deck.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on Esper Brain in a Jar Control/Combo
    Quote from Slippaz »
    Just saw this thread, and I'm really glad people are looking into Esper Jar (a guy from reddit that I've discussed it with a lot suggested the name Brain Control, which I'll run with)!

    Esper is better at making Brain in a Jar relevant


    Man, I'm glad someone else is playing a deck like this and seeing Jar as a card that actually does things besides the combo! So many people I talk to about versions of the deck are skimping on Jars in favor of Expertise cards and saying that they don't want to ever draw 2 Jars. If you're on a draw-go style gameplan, having 2 Jars is play is actually amazing. You can 1) Alternate the scries on endstep to hold up counters and still be able to fuse a topdecked Beck 2) Scry one up and down while keeping the other on a specific number as an answer--for example keeping one Jar on 3 to hold up instant speed Verdict to effectively close out the game against a deck like Affinity. Also, if you have an Esper Charm in your hand and just tick a Jar up to 2 (with no Beck...say a 2-mana draw spell or nothing), then drawing a second one on your fifth turn and making your opponent discard 4 can be totally nuts by matchup.


    I played the original list that Saffronolive ran on stream, but I've made some changes around AER as well. I liked the core of the deck (here it is for reference), but the the combination of metagame changes and extra early interaction (push) has driven me to swap the Deprives out for Cryptics. That was what I did originally, but I ended up actually preferring Deprive for a long time, and the mana cheating from Jar does actually help balance out Deprive's drawback. It's still viable, but I'm on the Cryptic kick for the moment.

    Here's a list I 5-0'd a comp league with a few days ago.

    You'll notice that I'm not running any Yahenni's Expertise. I honestly just think Verdict is way too good as an instant (although it's amazing in general) to pass up as my go-to sweeper, and as you mentioned above, Sram's is...actually a really good card for what we want to do. I don't think I want more than 2 copies of an Expertise in the deck right now because in general I'd rather just hold up interaction and endstep Esper Charm T4 than mainphase it to add 3 1/1's. In some situations that's fine, but in general I like having more Jars than Expertise effects. One sweet thing about the Expertises, though, is that they smooth out your Jar curve really well. If you have, say, a Sram's in hand with no Beck, you can tick up Jar past 1 and still fuse Beck//Call at instant speed off your 4-spot. It lets you Beck 3 times between 2 and 6. You can endstep Esper Charm your opponent off Jar for one mana, then untap and Sram's to Esper Charm again for one mana while holding up other interaction...it's crazy. Sram's also gives you a pretty obscene aggro plan against BGx that doesn't rely on Jar (especially vs Jund which has both decays and K Commands), and that's a matchup where YE doesn't really do anything beyond kill Souls tokens (that we're pretty good at handling).

    Anyway, I've been thinking about doing some commentary over a comp league on MODO if anyone would be interested in watching it. I was actually going to make a thread for the archetype to go with it, but I'm glad someone beat me to it Smile I do have gameplay videos floating around somewhere that I grabbed before the update cut us off old replays as well that I might be able to find/post. I've had a couple people contact me about the deck, so I'll let them know there's a thread up now to help get the discussion going! The core idea of cheating out Beck in an Esper deck is legitimately competitive, and I wanna hear more about what people are doing with it.


    Glad to see someone as excited as I am about the playability of the combo.

    A few things to mention:

    One, I can see your list is a very Esper controlish list, with lots of late game. My list is optimized to achieve the combo as fast as possible, and it can consistently fire it off turn four. It's really riding on the combo. Ive thrown in Inquisitions to Protect, and serum visions to dig for the combo. Now that I think about it, Esper Charm seems really good as an endstep turn three play to dig for pieces.
    If you like jar with your list, try out Far // Away. It'll make you fall in love with BiaJ. Including it in my list means that I can consistently get huge value plays off of jars and Expertises. Not to mention far // Away is actually a good card against a lot of decks (Infect, Bant Eldrazi, etc). Haven't played enough to know for sure, but just intuitively, BiaJ seems like a power card in Control-v-Control matchups.

    Never tried Logic Knot or Think Twice, how do they perform? Can't afford Snaps and Cryptics.

    Another thing to mention is that my list is built to fight against Bant Eldrazi, which is my main playtester.

    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on Esper Brain in a Jar Control/Combo
    To build on my old list, im taking out the Yahenni's Expertise for another Sram's Expertise for a more consistent combo. It's also just a good card by itself.

    I've also found that Brain in a Jar, while mainly in the deck for combo purposes, is actually very good for saving Mana later in the game and casting your sorcery spells at instant speed. It feels really good to Inquisition your opponent on their upkeep, or verdict their stuff away before combat.

    Im also seriously considering Hour of Reckoning as a 1 or 2 of. Probably only as a one. It's actually extremely convenient. If you resolve Beck // Call off of Sram's Expertise, you draw four cards to dig for it, then you have the perfect amount of creatures to fully convoke it. They can't attack the first turn anyway, so it's not like you're missing out unless they have a haste threat. I don't know, but it seems like a possibly insane card in the list. It also seems like it could just be a "win more" card, butI've gotten into situations where that play would save me. It seems like a good play against: Affinity, Bant Eldrazi, Jund, Death's Shadow, Knightfall, Abzan Company, Merfolk, Dredge, Infect, Eldrazi and Taxes, Elves. You name it. Bolded matchups where it's conceivable that your opponent would just kill you next turn anyway, either by forcing chump blocks or not even caring about your blockers.


    I think you're overthinking things too much. More often than not, one resolved Beck // Call can end the game. If anything, I would toss in 4 Bitterblossom or go with a Thopter Foundry + Sword of the Meek gameplan to not only have more alternative ways to win, but keep you alive against goyfs while you dig out answers.

    And I actually like Azban more than Esper for this archetype.



    Esper is better at making Brain in a Jar relevant, and green doesn't have too many spells worth investing in. Abrupt Decay, Maelstrom Pulse at most, but Esper has better alternatives.

    I agree I might be over thinking this, but Ive been in scenarios where resolving Beck // Call just isn't enough to win. Hour of Reckoning just seems too convenient in some matchups to ignore.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on Esper Brain in a Jar Control/Combo
    To build on my old list, im taking out the Yahenni's Expertise for another Sram's Expertise for a more consistent combo. It's also just a good card by itself.

    I've also found that Brain in a Jar, while mainly in the deck for combo purposes, is actually very good for saving Mana later in the game and casting your sorcery spells at instant speed. It feels really good to Inquisition your opponent on their upkeep, or verdict their stuff away before combat.

    Im also seriously considering Hour of Reckoning as a 1 or 2 of. Probably only as a one. It's actually extremely convenient. If you resolve Beck // Call off of Sram's Expertise, you draw four cards to dig for it, then you have the perfect amount of creatures to fully convoke it. They can't attack the first turn anyway, so it's not like you're missing out unless they have a haste threat. I don't know, but it seems like a possibly insane card in the list. It also seems like it could just be a "win more" card, butI've gotten into situations where that play would save me. It seems like a good play against: Affinity, Bant Eldrazi, Jund, Death's Shadow, Knightfall, Abzan Company, Merfolk, Dredge, Infect, Eldrazi and Taxes, Elves. You name it. Bolded matchups where it's conceivable that your opponent would just kill you next turn anyway, either by forcing chump blocks or not even caring about your blockers.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on Print this Wizards (so I can play it in modern)
    Quote from khaosknight69 »
    Quote from ketoglutarate »
    now it's just green that needs a 1-mana effective instant interaction for modern (the other being Path to Exile, Vapor Snag, Lightning Bolt and Fatal Push to some extent). You could argue there is prey upon (lol) but it is not a standalone card.
    What could that card be?

    Here's what I propose:

    Primal Defiance G
    Instant
    Destroy target creature.
    Its controller reveals the card on top of his library. If it is a creature, he or she puts it in hand, otherwise on the bottom of his/her library.



    I'm sorry, but that's just way too powerful. Push kills 2 cmc creatures for G, and then only 4 cmc with revolt. That's just straight up *any* creature for G, with a Goblin Guide-esque drawback. Green doesn't have kill spells.


    I think control is on the cusp in modern again. I want something like:

    Decent 3 mana counterspell 1UU
    Instant

    Counter target spell, then look at the top card of your library. If it's a land, put it on the battlefield tapped.

    I feel like that wouldn't be too powerful for standard, but would be powerful enough to see some play in modern.

    Also something simple like:

    Decent Restock Spell 2U
    Instant
    Scry 1, then draw a card. You may return target card from your graveyard to your hand.

    Or

    Restock 3UU
    Instant
    Draw 3 cards.
    Restock costs 2 less during your opponent's end step if they have not cast a spell this turn.

    or even

    Secret Intelligence UU
    Instant
    Counter Target spell with CMC 2 or less
    Return a land you control to your hand: Instead counter target spell


    Your three Mana Counterspell should be Simic.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on UW Spirits
    Quote from VidarThor »
    Redtwister how does that deck perform? My own experience with spirits is that theyir 2 drop creatures does not threat the oponent enough. Your list has 4 mimic, 4 drogskoll and 2 pahntasmal image. Tharlia probably also helps.


    I agree with you on that point. I'm really hoping for a flash 2 Mana spirit that's good on its own with an Aggressive p/t from Amonkhet. Any card like that would help spirits immensely. Another good flash three drop might be good as well. If we get those two cards, not only could vial spirits be powerful, but Non-Vial spirits would be more justified. You are wouldn't have to rely on Vial as much as we do currently.
    Posted in: Modern Archives - Established
  • posted a message on Hidden Stockpile Spy Network
    So we've got some really cool new cards from Aether Revolt. I'm here to talk about one per card of mine that seems to have fallen under the radar a little. This card, of course, is Hidden Stockpile. First of all, it's a token creating card digging machine that is amazing at creating incremental value as the game goes on.

    It works especially well with Thopter Spy Network, another card that creates huge incremental value and seems to have fallen under the radar.

    The two cards together produce immense amounts of card advantage and tokens.

    It seems to me like this could warrant building an esper control shell around to test.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on UW Spirits
    The one drop spot will never be cast on our opponent's end step if we're doing well.

    Thing is, Zealous Persecution is really only good if you run lingering souls. I can see it in a meta full of x/1s but aside from that we should probably steer clear. I'd rather run some instant speed counterspells.

    And hey, Alley evasion seems pretty cool, maybe worth trying out.
    Posted in: Modern Archives - Established
  • posted a message on UW Spirits
    A few things to say.

    One, I completely agree with everyone on saying playing cards sorcery speed feels bad. It does, especially when you want to hold up counter magic. You could take out souls from the main and replace them with Esper Charms for card draw. That will make the deck much less tap-out.

    Smuggler's Copter seems very promising, I like everything it does, and it seems criminally easy to crew. In a tap out shell with souls is where it seems like it would shine.

    Another card to consider is Stitcher's Graft. It was brought up a while ago. It buffs up any creature considerably and provides a lot more pressure. You'll most likely be equipping it to souls tokens, so sacrifice them isn't a big deal.
    Posted in: Modern Archives - Established
  • posted a message on Bird Pox
    Quote from VidarThor »
    You use fatal push to kill a creature.

    You use smallpox to exhaust resources on both sides of the table.

    They do completly different things.


    I'm aware of this, but using smallpox to mainly deal with creatures seems like a underwhelming use of the card. Exhausting resources symmetrically is generally only good in very specific control decks that operate well on one land and with cards in their graveyard. The trick with cards like smallpox is not making its effects less relevant on you, but making them beneficial to you.

    Control hates playing against smallpox because it makes it hard to stop pressure and respond to threats.

    Decks that play smallpox are generally built around it, because it's a very powerful card but hard to make useful.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
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