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  • posted a message on [Primer] G/W Auras (Bogle)
    Briar Shield and Grove certainly are interesting. I would agree that we should get some kind of support in the form of a new card; I don't recall the timestamp in the video, but they alluded to how they looked over the format archetypes & their desire to those already in the format rather than introducing cards that will blow up the meta-game. Last I checked, we were still tier 2 and definitely believe we'll be getting some sort of support; I suppose how relevant/playable that support is will have to be determined. Hell, I'd even test out Serra; getting an emblem of Worship while having 1-2 totem-armored Bogles in play would be GGs in a lot of G1 matchups.

    Specifically in regards to Enlightened Tutor & Sterling Grove, what would be your hesitations in running one or both? Grove seems kinda clunky b/c its not what we want to be doing turn 2 and not necessarily helping us win any faster, but I think it gets much better in games 2/3 of certain matchups and would be an excellent SB option. I think it would also open some doors and allow experimentation with some more non-aura enchantment heavy builds. Similarly, Tutor would obviously be help in fetching silver bullets, but would also allow us to play more of a tool-box variant. IMO both cards help mitigate the lack of card draw at our disposal.

    Speaking of card draw, I'd love if WotC gave us a new card that we could seamlessly slot in as a CA engine; probably asking too much in those colors, but green has been dipping to the blue pie as of late with cards like Beast Whisperer and I wouldn't completely rule out any possibility of green card draw that has a downside or niche playability (e.g. GG Enchantment - Whenever you cast an enchantment, scry 1. Draw a card). Is there any chance in hell they'd actually give us Sylvan Library? Based on the commentary in the announcement video, I think we can expect to see 2-4 "bombshell" reprints (e.g. counterspell). In addition to their functional purpose, I think these "bombshell" cards will also be meant to hype up the set and Sylvan Lib would absolutely move boxes. Every-time I look at the card it gets easier & easier to see it being played in Modern without warping the format. The Legacy decks which play it rarely play more than two copies and I think it would be used in a similar manner within the Modern environment. It's good enough to aid archetypes desperate for CA yet nothing that could be abused by any current tier 1 strategy.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [Primer] G/W Auras (Bogle)
    Modern Horizons Announcment

    Scale 1-10: What are the chances this set shows Bogles some love? I don't want to get my hopes up, but it's difficult not to get excited by the idea of having Enlightened Tutor in Modern.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    No reprints whatsoever; I'll be readying my collection for sale some time this year if WotC is planning on giving Modern the Legacy treatment....


    ...I'll buy your fetches. Those suckers are going to explode since they already confirmed the reprints will be pre-8th edition.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Quote from cfusionpm »
    Baseless speculation and price spikes on Legacy staples in 3... 2... 1...


    If we're playing the finance game, I'll put my money on fetches jumping first. Especially if this set really won't contain any Modern reprints.

    Btw, around the 22 min mark they teased out the existence of a blue card that was referred to as "the top dog" and therefore withheld from being a preview card; any thoughts on what that might be? Seeing how this announcement was scripted, I suppose the comment could've simply been made to hype the set and the card turns out to be Scornful Egotist, but if we're taking it at face value then there are only a handful of possibilities that could fall under that designation, IMO.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Do you think Raging Ravine is gonna climb from the ~$3 they are at right now? My lgs has a bunch and I might scoop them up with store credit.


    I mean, generally speaking, anything playable will theoretically climb up in the absence of new supply. It looks like the man lands reprinted in UMA are flat-lining, with the exception of Colonnade which is still dropping. The chances of prices dropping below $3 are slim until another reprint comes along, so I'd definitely pull the trigger if you have your eye on them. I've been keeping an eye on the price of Tarpits myself and IMO once those start trending up, Ravine shouldn't be too far behind.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Quote from cfusionpm »
    I don't know why anyone has any hope of Modern ever coming to Arena. They have repeatedly said it's not a priority and is not happening any time soon. It is a monumental coding and animating task. There is no good way to make the cards available and distribute them in the current model without massive wastes of resources. It's not happening, and hypothesizing about the ways they could do it is just an exercise in frustrating futility. We might as well go back to talking about Twin coming back if we're going to discuss things that should happen, but never will.


    Baseless speculation?! Happening in this thread? Well, I'd never... Rolleyes

    WotC can't even update Gatherer with Pauper legality, so I naturally assumed that adding 16 years worth of cards into Arena was just behind "Reserved List Masters" on WoTC's to-do list. However, part of me is still hopeful that MTGO will someday be natively supported on Mac, so I suppose I'm not completely free of delusional thoughts lol
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    If you intend to pick them up eventually, I'd pull the trigger now. Yeah, the price might go down a few more bucks, but once it plateaus and begins the upswing, it'll be too late.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from blacklotus »
    should i trade 2 badlands, good and excellent status by 140€ each (min price) because where i live we dont play legacy and i bought by 46€ each some years ago

    by 4x noble hierarch foil 200€ and 4x collected company 60€ and 20€ ? to finish bant spirits and vizier combo?

    i think i will lose value but i dont use the badlands and need those cards ...


    Losing a lot of value. You'd be better off selling them on eBay/buylist then just buying the cards you need. If you need a buyer, look no further...I'd gladly buy them at that price.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [Primer] G/W Auras (Bogle)


    Wow, no kidding; thanks for the info! Really hoping it pans out haha
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Quote from tronix »
    Quote from The Fluff »
    It's just a part of the life cycle of thread. Discussions flow smoothly for days or a few weeks, then twin would be revisited one way or the other. Although I'm surprised it came back with a lot of intensity today.

    in fairness it wasnt out of the blue. that whole bit in the TCC + Blake Rassmusen + Steve Sunu 'fact/fiction' interview about twin was a cock-up. the fact that it was a user/player submitted question, the way it was phrased, it being selected as something worth talking about, and the subsequent almost dismissive and unrelated response.

    it just highlights how naive the community has and continues to be, and goes to show why wizards employees are often better served not saying anything at all lest it be blown out of proportion after being put under a microscope. 2 guys who likely have minimal to no say in ban/unban decisions, one of which openly said he wasnt even there when the twin ban decision was made (Steve), giving an unrelated and opinionated answer to a loaded question isnt some special insight to be used as proof/evidence of anything.


    Truth. I was tired of the Twin pouting shortly after it happened, which was what almost 4 years ago now? However, that interview resurrected the topic and made it a relevant topic of discussion again (well, in other sectors of the community anyhow. We know the discussion here is always looming). I'm still wondering why WotC even chose to open that can of worms willingly; the questions were screen and approved beforehand, so they must've thought that two tool bags *****ting on Twin would get some laughs or they're just tone deaf. Either way, that interview actually made me somewhat grateful that WotC is terrible at communicating with players; if those two bone jobs are representative of the PR department as a whole, I'll gladly accept silence over the snarky remarks of those smug jagoffs.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    I believe someone mentioned it earlier, but what are everyone's thoughts on Extirpate? I generally try to avoid buying into spikes, but the exception is when there's a very small foil multiplier. Last I checked TCGplayer, the price margins between foils and non were slim; picked up two Planar Chaos foils for $8/ea. Coincidentally, I've noticed the same trend for Surgical Extraction throughout the last few months; I went to list my foil copy on eBay sometime when it was spiking post-UMA and decided against it because foils were being sold for maybe a $5-$10 premium at best. The MM15 card quality isn't anything to write home about, so I could see if it was the case for just that version, but the same has held true for NP foils. Just something I found interesting.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quick tip for anyone who's itching to crack some UMA boosters, but also unwilling to pay an exorbitant mark up at the lgs. Stopped into GameStop today for a non-mtg related purchase and walked out with two of the 3 pk blisters. Manager said he wasn't surprised they lasted this long as the only time folks come in for cards are when they're running a sale.

    Obviously this won't be the case everywhere, but it's worth peeking you're head in. Package marked $37 but came up $32, presumably due to the GameStop loyalty card discount.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from cfusionpm »
    I was on board with the idea of introducing new cards to Modern, but am a lot more apprehensive about it after the Gavin interview. In addition to the possibility of making existing cards and decks irrelevant or redundant (which is a huge bad thing in of itself, IMO), I fear we lack any of the meaningful safety valves in dealing with the broken nonsense likely to spout from this wave addition to the format. We already get some new linear deck broken every couple sets anyway, using just Standard cards. And given WOTC's general incompetence when it comes to Modern, I don't exactly trust them to "help us" by giving us anything meaningful without accidentally breaking things. This is a dev team that, just a few weeks ago, said with a straight face they believe UWx control decks are the next best deck in Modern after KCI. So if this is the same dev team in charge of making these hypothetical new cards, I don't have high hopes for anything that boosts reactive/control/interactive decks whatsoever.


    It's sad, because it's true Slant However, if I may ask, what part of the Gavin interview turned you off to the idea? I assumed the whole interview would consist of him avoiding questions, ultimately providing nothing of value, but that was the first time in a long while that I thought maybe not everybody at WotC is completely inept. But then I watched a different interview w/ the Prof on the Mothership's YouTube channel and the two schmucks he talked to re-affirmed my assumptions. Idk if anybody else has already watched it, but for those who haven't, I suggest avoiding it unless you want to watch two smug dip*****s regurgitate prepared responses.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    I had no idea such a thread existed; I definitely need to check that out!

    Every point you mention is valid concern/obstacle. I suppose it's one of those things I'd really like to see happen, but only if it was done right. Unfortunately, any new product will likely flop and fall short if the driving force is attributed to Hasbro pressuring WotC to develop something that will make investors happy. I'm not sure if I could ever see WotC designing an entire set with just Modern in mind; I was thinking more along the lines of including a handful of new "modern-centric" cards in something like BattleBond 2.0, Conspiracy 3, Commander Pre-Cons, etc. If done right, I think WotC could use such a product to introduce some checks and balances to the format. On the other hand, I could definitely see backlash from the player base regardless of the impact any new cards have on the format, positive or negative, simply b/c WotC would in-turn set a precedent within the format for direct interventions in the future. Although I doubt they'd ever go back to it, I'd love to throw it back where all MTG products are released with an updated version of the 'beginner', 'advanced', or 'expert' designations and subsequently let those designations indicate which format(s) the cards for X supplemental product could be played in.

    It seems like most players consider last year's Commander decks to be failures taking into account MSRP, perceived value, etc. I'm curious if it would've been the same general sentiment had those C18 cards been considered legal in Modern? I would argue yes, but can also understand why some would say no. You mention the lack of reliable data and that may actually be my biggest concern moving forward; it appears that Hasbro is going all-in on MTGA based on yesterday's investor report and that has made me a bit uneasy about not just the Modern market, but overall health of the format/game in paper. I don't typically jump to conclusions, but the recent rumors surrounding paper tourney coverage coupled with Hasbro's gushing over MTGA haven't given us any reasons not to be concerned. Obviously it's silly to think the paper game could just up and die, but I do wonder whether or not WotC has the personnel/incentive to continue monitoring the data and keeping tabs on the metagame. That's why I think some kind of new support for Modern would go a long way as a good faith effort. UMA essentially proved that players will buy product containing quality reprints and I just hope that whatever method they ultimately choose as a vessel for reprints (potentially new cards) is something well thought out and not just the top 50 Modern cards shoehorned into a series of random supplemental products.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from tronix »

    the cynic in me also believes it might push wizards towards the 'direct-to-modern' product, because if value reprints are unsustainable for a higher priced top shelf product; then why not just make entirely new cards pushed for play to ensure a high price point. bam you just got a new piece of reprint fodder down the line. only have to look at cards like true name nemesis and leovold to see what im talking about.


    This is something I've actually wanted WotC to do for years now. On paper it's a no-brainer as it'd allow them to kill two birds by giving the format a shot in the arm with a suite of reprints too strong for standard and new cards designed specifically with Modern in mind; it would also obviously be huge for Hasbro's bottom line as they'd finally have a product to reel in Modern players. Anyone who plays Modern or an eternal format knows buying singles is the way to go, however, I think there'd be quite a few folks cracking packs if WotC put out a home-run product containing new cards that would be Modern-legal in addition to reprints. Unlike the Masters line, this sort of product would theoretically fluctuate more like a standard set in the sense that nobody would know the actual estimated value until months later. This definitely seems like something WotC struggled with and it's evident when thinking back to the issues which surrounded each set at the time. Speaking of those....


    anyone know if eternal masters had poor quality, or at least poorer than usual? i remember it being before they made those alleged revisions to the printing/coating process.


    I can only speak for my own experience, but I drafted a box of EMA when it was released and the bulk cards have been sitting in a storage since. When rifling through my boxes looking for Intruder Alarms, I came across the EMA box and wanted to yak when I saw how bad the curling was. Not privy to how/how many different production locations they had, but I can confirm some percentage of EMA is warped to hell. IIRC, MM17 was when I first started to notice positive changes in card stock.
    Posted in: Modern
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