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  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    I've seen Invocation Threads of Disloyalty as low as 13€ on MCM. I've got no particular interest them, but they seem super cheap, and not bad at all since they can take a Shadow, a TiTi or a Goyf (lol). Also Shatterstorm is around 20€, and I might get some for Storm to swap for some number of Abrade and other things for the Whir Prison and Affinity matchups. What do you think?

    They seem like pretty solid pickups. I've seen them low as well and was considering them my damn self. If I hadn't spent way too much on Magic in the past few months, I'd probably get a go at it (meanwhile I probably will spend elsewhere, lol).


    I only started to pick up a few of the Amonkhet/Hour of Devastation Invocations within the last year, after all the lottery cards were pumped and dumped last April. The relevant Expeditions/Masterpieces ended up stabilizing, but the Invocations absolutely tanked after that. I recall selling a Choke and Counterbalance for ~$100 each and re-buying them for ~$25/ea a few months later. When I noticed the majority of Invocations weren't rebounding, I started to pick up copies of anything relevant to Modern/eternal formats that was still sitting under $30, so I ended up with playsets of Entomb, Slaughter Pact, Boil, Chain Lightning, and Shatterstorm, Threads of Disloyalty, Divert, plus some odds and ends.

    IMO, there are still quite a few under priced Invocations from Hour of Devastation, especially when you consider WotC terminated the print run early. Yeah, the frames and hieroglyphics are awful, but from a sheer rarity standpoint I'm surprised there are still a handful of them under $20. Solid upside for not much risk.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    I suppose we're just putting our heads down at the dinner table pretending daddy didn't just hit mommy....

    Something like D&T could be just one Containment Priest-esque card away from being a T1 deck in the post-horizons meta game, which would arguably result in the effective policing of decks like Phoexix/Dredge. That's just one possibility once 250 new cards are infused into Modern. Let's not be prisoners of the moment, folks; the current meta will be just another blip on the Magic timeline once mid June rolls around.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Any significant changes to the meta via bans prior to June 14 would be highly unlikely. Again, 250+ new cards will be dumped into the format and the meta will absolutely change as a result. Instilling a ban now would be as useful as re-roofing a house scheduled for demolition.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [Primer] G/W Auras (Bogle)
    Once there were at least 5 players running phoenix at my LGS, I started playing Surgicals; 1 MB and 2 SB have been treating me well overall, however, TITI is still a problem as it's fairly difficult to get one in the yard.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Interesting choice of inclusions. I imagined they would've made each deck at least two colors, so they could've jammed in some shocks in more than just one deck. Also surprised to see Arclight; that plus the copies of Sulfur Falls alone make it the deck that's most likely to fly off shelves first, the copies of Chart a Course are the cherry on top. Other than that, I agree with the above comments; I was almost sure they'd print at least one copy each of Teferi AND Search for Azcanta among the 4 decks, however, I can see why they'd be hesitant to include Teferi considering its % meta share at the time.

    The vibrant packaging for the mono-white deck will put an end to the guessing game of how long they've been sitting on the shelf once the dust starts to collect...
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from SaltySips »
    Please, let‘s not discuss *that* topic again - the conversation gets destructive very fast and nobody seems to gain anything out of it.

    As much as I‘d like to see Sylvan Library in Modern, with Ancient Stirrings being criticised whenever some colourless deck does well I‘d seriously doubt that we‘ll get such a toy in green.


    That's because drawing stirrings is almost always a good thing for those decks until they have tron online. Drawing into multiple Sylvan Libraries would be brutal assuming your opponent isn't running enchantment hate; 4 life per card is a hefty price in a format where mana bases are largely composed of fetches and shocks. I honestly think it wouldn't only be underpowered in Modern, but underplayed as well. Aside from brews/decks in green with no other source of CA, what current deck would play it and furthermore, what deck would want to play more than 1 - 2 copies max?

    I haven't read the comments from Maro, but I'd like to do so if anybody has the link handy. I could certainly see the brand new cards adhering to color pie norms, but knowing a chunk of the set will be ported over from legacy's card pool, I'd be surprised if "conforms to color pie" was a major deciding factor for whether or not those cards were chosen/excluded. WotC announcing MH would include reprints pre-8th ed was the first step toward the sort of "legacy-lite" format folks have described in the past; the extent to which that is true will seemingly depend on how many of these reprints are noteworthy cards in legacy. Aside from gameplay factors, the inclusion of cards like a Sylvan Library would go a long way to ensure MH has perceived value from the get-go. They can re-print all the Counterspells, Daze, etc they'd like for Modern, but dirt-cheap reprints won't sell pack and neither will unproven/untested cards (at least during the early stages when players are still figuring out whats actually relevant). Don't get me wrong, I'd be delighted if MH boxes are the same price as a standard set box, but that's unlikely to be the case. Making sure X amount of the reprints are legacy staples with modest-solid value is a sensical business decision that would help to ensure MH sales figures meet expectations; there has to be something among the set of uncertainty that would justify the premium/semi-premium price point of boosters/boxes.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from GPash »
    Quote from Joban8 »
    R.I.P. Glimmervoid
    R.I.P. Tendo Ice Bridge


    I noticed Glimmervoid's price plummeting. Why are these cards dropping so hard?


    Glimmervoid took a punch in gut from Spire of Industry's printing and Aether Hub is a strictly better Tendo Ice Bridge
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from gkourou »
    What card are you scared of in the MH set and/or wouldn't like to see it?
    Personally, I think Daze would break Grixis Death's Shadow and it would be too good, so I am not in for that.
    Wasteland would be bonkers good and traumatize the format in the worst way and also kick all ramp decks out of the meta.
    I also see Sylvan Library being mentioned and I am sure that such a powerful card is not entering Modern any time soon.

    Personal bias; don't want to see Baleful Strix or Swords to plowshares, because those cards would both destroy GDS.

    I am sure non of this cards is due to be reprinted though.


    IMO, Sylvan Library would perfectly slot into Modern and do more good helping raise up certain lower tier decks than bad. I'm aware that comparing a card's power through the strict lens of Modern vs Legacy doesn't always paint a representative picture, however, I'm going to do so anyway. AFAIK, there's no legacy deck that runs SL because of its abuse potential; the decks that do play it rarely run more than one in their 75. It's an excellent card for decks desperate for CA, yet functions in a way so that you never really want nor benefit from having multiple copies in play. If it were added to Modern, the only deck I can see trying to abuse it would be something like BG Shadow. Even then, I'm not sure they would even want it considering the plethora of cheaper options which they currently use to eat away at their life total; curious to hear what someone who plays the deck thinks about it.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    R.I.P. Glimmervoid
    R.I.P. Tendo Ice Bridge
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Ok, that's understandable and I would agree. IMO, they took the safe route staying silent, because there's a non-zero chance that taking a shotgun approach to shaking up Modern with 250 unknown variables will completely blow up in their faces and the last thing they would want on record is a B&R where they're quoted saying something along the lines of, "Our plan with MH is to make modern great again, so we're holding off on any major decisions until we see how awesome that turns out". Like I mentioned in a previous comment, normally I'm pissed when we get these announcements that are void of any reasoning or explanation, however, I think it's same to assume Modern will look much different come June, so that'll be when I'm expecting to hear what WotC has to say about the format as a whole.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from Colt47 »
    Quote from Joban8 »
    I agree that the bubble for PW-centric cards will likely burst, but there's still a good 1-2 months left for those values to inflate. Strix can be re-printed (for the 7th time) in MH, so I'd definitely suggest ditching your copies while folks are still willing to pay $10 a pop. However, Zen fetches will not be in MH or any set within the foreseeable future, so selling now would be extremely premature IMO. Tarn may have hit/come close to it's all time high, but the others have just started making their way up to new highs. Even in the most conservative scenario where one thinks MH might introduce a land cycle that somehow makes fetches less desirable, I wouldn't begin to think about offloading them until the week or so before spoilers are set to debut.


    It's best to set a threshold for the price point to sell, rather than waiting for the peak to come. The only way to know the peak is hit is to see the price start to fall, and at that point it is too late. Someone might lose out on a few extra dollars short term, but the long term is what is important.


    Agreed, but that same logic works both ways; sell too early and you're just leaving money on the table. In regards to zen fetches, it's just common sense. What're the odds they'll be reprinted between now and MH spoiler season? Nearly 0%. Is there reason to believe demand will cease between now and then? Negative. Based on the all-time highs for each card, excluding Tarn, the average growth needed just to approach those all-time highs is about 36%; since we know what people have been willing to pay in the past, we're not blindly watching their value increase with no reasonable expectations for a ceiling value. Therefore, if you wanted to sell your zen fetches while both maximizing profit and minimizing risk, the week before MH spoilers is a logical time to do so. That's just being conservative; there's a good chance that MH will only push demand further post-release and we could see prices climb well throughout the Summer into Fall.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Well I hope they know something about War of the Spark or Modern Horizons that we don't cause I don't see this being self corrected.


    They do; they know 250 legacy/built-for-modern cards will be dumped into the format three months from now. Any qualms with the format will fall on deaf ears, because the announcement of MH included an expiratory date being slapped onto the lifespan of the current meta. Since 2015, roughly 1/3 of the discussion in this thread has been empty rhetoric about the banning of one single card and how that incident is the root cause for all things ***** in Modern. Thus, it's reasonable to argue that any complaints regarding perceived issues with the present format are irrelevant until we see what happens in t-minus three months when Modern is blasted in the ass with not one, but 250 new cards.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    I agree that the bubble for PW-centric cards will likely burst, but there's still a good 1-2 months left for those values to inflate. Strix can be re-printed (for the 7th time) in MH, so I'd definitely suggest ditching your copies while folks are still willing to pay $10 a pop. However, Zen fetches will not be in MH or any set within the foreseeable future, so selling now would be extremely premature IMO. Tarn may have hit/come close to it's all time high, but the others have just started making their way up to new highs. Even in the most conservative scenario where one thinks MH might introduce a land cycle that somehow makes fetches less desirable, I wouldn't begin to think about offloading them until the week or so before spoilers are set to debut.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [Primer] G/W Auras (Bogle)
    Hypothetically speaking, it sounds like it'd be interesting and worth testing out, especially if it allowed us to salvage 1+ auras in response to something like Spiritdancer getting path'd while we have a hexproof guy in play.

    Serra's Sanctum would be the bee's knees, but it's a no-go so long as the reserve list exists.

    Guessing what new cards we could get is pointless, but we can still look at some interesting non-RL cards that could potentially be ported over from Legacy, in addition to Sterling Grove and other mentioned previously:
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    If it weren't for the three Modern GPs in March and Modern Horizons on the horizon (ba-dum tss), this sort of announcement, lacking any information regarding the overall format, would be disappointing. However, there's honestly no point in announcing bans/unbans or relaying thoughts on the current meta when 250 new-to-modern cards are about to be dumped into the card-pool; the sheer number of cards introduces a metric *****-load of new variables that will almost surely re-shape the metagame into something that will look much different than it does today. Sure, current T1 archetypes likely won't fall off the face of the Earth or anything, but unless all of those 250 cards end up being absolute garbage (highly unlikely), there will be an exciting period of uncertainty in Modern while players brew/experiment with their new toys.

    Think back over the last 3-5 years of Modern and recall all the instances when the addition/removal of a single card/new-found strategy impacted the format (e.g. Death's Shadow, Twin/Pod ban, Dredge-enablers, Hollow One, Arclight, Push, etc); now extrapolate that to include 250 cards coming directly from Legacy's card pool or designed specifically with Modern's power level in mind. Even if 200 of those cards end up being draft fodder and/or "unplayable", we're still looking at a major meta shakeup post-horizons.

    Posted in: Modern Archives
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