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    posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from Colt47 »
    Quote from gkourou »
    What? We just had a Humans vs Affinity pro tour final. We just had Humans as one of the best decks(and 3 copies into the top 8 and no mention at all?), UWx Control is gaining traction because of the new cards and MH is probably going to boost most of the fair decks.

    Colt, I know you just come in here to speak about a new format or make frontier look glorious; but let's get real.

    Modern is going to be the premier non-rotating format for many years to come and I predict there is going to be a Modern Horizons 2, because MH is probably going to be a huuuuge success.


    I was actually serious. I didn't keep track of modern the past few weeks so it was a legitimate question, not sarcasm. :p

    Also Frontier isn't glorious, it's a niche format that has a cult following. That and I'm not holding my breath for anything WoTC pushes as a format to hold, but I do know some people who are speculating on that inbetween standard and modern format.

    Technically, EDH seems to be having a huge boom thanks to War of the Spark, given the price trends I've seen.


    Not so much speculation as it is an inevitability. They launch a new online client that only supports cards in a rotating standard format and those cards can be bought with real world money; once those cards rotate out, WotC isn't going to make an announcement telling Arena players "Well, we forgot to put the whole rotation thing in the tutorial; but fun while it lasted, right?". Partly due to the fact that WotC would rather suffer from Ebola than participate in any form of direct community outreach, but mostly due to the fact that Arena was a planned project and turned out to be a gold mine for WotC + Hasbro shareholders. The need for another format/game function to ensure players don't feel conned come rotation is likely one of the first things WotC considered. It's also likely that solution will be confined to the Arena client only.

    Standard is in the best place its been for quite some time and Modern is about to receive the largest single infusion of new cards in the format's history. I'd buy them maybe wanting to try out something like a "Legacy-Lite" were a new format introduced to the paper game, but there's no need for a frontier 2.0 in the paper game. Sure, I'd imagine some players would try it out in paper, but anything of the sort would be created for the sole purpose of maintaining the illusion for some Arena players that their collections aren't completely worthless come rotation time. I'm pretty computer savvy when it comes to hardware and building machines, but I don't know the first thing about programming; if it's feasible for WotC to realistically port over older cards/formats into Arena one day then maybe they'll put some thought into it, but I wouldn't be surprised if they just rip Hearthstone, call it "Wild", and figure it out as they go.
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on [Primer] G/W Auras (Bogle)
    Sure thing, brotha. Hope one of them end up working out for ya; also hope Horizons gives us a playable tutor that could find a Solemnity lol.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
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    posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from Qysas »
    So what is everyone's opinion of Newagin and is it worth buying? I know Karn is something to keep an eye on. Anything else to watch for those who only buy play set's for modern decks and brewing?


    Quote from tronix »
    i mean there is no reason to believe that WAR will NOT be the most opened set of all time. big story arc conclusion, big characters, influx from arena, power level is well above average, etc.

    if you wanna buy singles to play, id hold off for a couple of weeks till the market gets saturated. if you have no interest in playing, and its just about expanding your collection then rotation next year is when prices will bottom out (for non-foils at least). most probably wont wanna wait that long, but just go in aware prices will likely dip.

    on another note, horizons spoilers start the sunday after next. as cards get revealed, expect prices to spike as people speculate (modern specs have been trending hot as of late). if you were thinking of cutting down on your collection and just didnt know the right time; this would be when you want to keep your eyes peeled. sell into the hype, if not, just know waiting to see if there is organic demand after the dust settles is a risk you are accepting.


    Very excited for Horizons spoilers to start flowing in. If WotC did it right, the Modern metagame will look very different in the coming months. The fetchland spikes have settled for now, but unless Horizons introduces a new land cycle that somehow devalues them, I'm expecting that both allied and enemy fetches will surpass their all-time highs before the end of the Summer.


    Quote from Qysas »
    So what is everyone's opinion of Newagin and is it worth buying? I know Karn is something to keep an eye on. Anything else to watch for those who only buy play set's for modern decks and brewing?


    IMO the vast majority of the set's Modern potential comes from the uncommon slot; I think many of the static ability walkers will find homes in the format (namely Ashiok, Saheeli, Kiora, Davriel) and while their rarity doesn't make for good specs, I think it'd be wise to pick up some cheap foils once more product is opened and when/if prices settle down to a reasonable point. I think Karn, Ral, & Chandra are some to keep an eye on from the rare slot. Lastly, I think it'll be interesting to see what happens to Tezzeret, master of the bridge; a 6 cmc walker is rough, but if I learned anything from playing during Mirrodin/Darksteel it's that affinity for artifacts can and will be abused if logistically possible; seeing how WotC continues to insist on including promo-only cards in Standard sets, Tezz might be the only card I'd seriously consider speccing on if/when copies can be had for a reasonable price.
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on [Primer] G/W Auras (Bogle)
    Yeah, the Modern playables from WAR haven't been very kind to us. If you're running into multiple decks running Blast Zone, I think it'd be appropriate to pack some interventions in the SB; like you mention, it has enough versatility that you can justify the spots. Another option might be Solemnity depending on which one covers more bases for your particular meta. Swapping out a SPiritdancer for a Silhana Ledgewalker, playing full sets of both umbras, & 2+ Mantles might also be something to consider. Certainly not ideal, but may help lessen the damage from both Blast Zone and Chalice on 1.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
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    posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from cfusionpm »
    Quote from gkourou »
    8Rack: 1 (LOL!)

    Not too surprising. We have 3 Pox/Rack players locally, and it rips Phoenix to shreds. Great meta call.

    In other news, eBay has 8% cashback right now. Might pick up a Horizons box. it doesn't feel too bad at $180ish.


    Ah, bummer it's a targeted offer; thought I'd go and do the same.
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from Arkmer »
    Quote from cfusionpm »
    Multiple ebay accounts with multiple shipping addresses. But as a long time seller myself, if I see something fishy, I can cancel the order outright for anyone I feel I don't want to ship to for any reason.

    In the words of Matt Mercer: you can certainly try.
    So if I get my brother to let me use my card on his eBay account, does the seller see the name on the card?


    Not sure about card. I only take paypal and the only info I see is the verified paypal address. Rather than using your card thru ebay itself, I'd suggest adding it to your brother's paypal account then he can select it when checking out via paypal.
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from genini2 »
    Quote from tronix »
    WAR mythic edition announced. https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/war-spark-mythic-edition-2019-04-18

    jtms, ugin (spirit dragon), and nahiri are the modern relevant inclusions. pretty crazy for 250/box


    Only 12,000 units will be printed though. I'd be surprised if the non-mythic editions fell at all.


    Yeah, I'm not expecting it to move the prices of regular printings either. However, this is the kind of lineup that would actually make me consider buying one; I'd probably give it a go if I actually needed a Jace, Ugin, or both. Alas, I do not, so I'll continue avoiding these Timmy boxes like they're an engineered plague. I sincerely hope Gavin's comments a few month ago about how, without Masters sets, WotC would be sprinkling Modern reprints throughout miscellaneous other products weren't referring to ******* mythic edition boxes as one of those reprint outlets.
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from tronix »
    yeah just gotta recognize price spikes for what they are. or rather what they arent - real play demand. just people betting on some potential, and its largely the space that speculators occupy.

    lattice blew up most recently but before that it was serum powder; which spiked at the london mulligan announcement, cooled down a bit, then just recently spiked again (likely coinciding with frank karstens articles on the subject). with zero evidence that it will even be a thing.

    but hey its not all bad. my lgs was slower on the uptake for serum powder and i bought 15 copies for 2/per when they were buylisting (cash) for 6. arbitrage at its finest; someones has to keep stores on their toes.


    Nice find. My LGS is a fairly large store for the area; they hold PPTQs (w/e the acronyms are now) and have a solid sales presence online, so they're pretty on the ball when it comes to updating prices. They also limit singles sales to a max of 4 copies of a specific card, so the only singles I'll pick up from them are higher end cards that I'd be hesitant to buy online due to potential counterfeits.
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Good read regarding London mulligan
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Fusion hit the nail on the head. It's never bad to own fetch lands, but seeing how they're the infrastructure for a significant portion of decks in the format, reprints are essentially a matter of when rather than if, so I'd advise against buying into them at/near their respective all-time highs unless you have immediate plans to use them. Although, there is a silver lining if you're ebay savvy and have the time to periodically check for new listings. I'm in the process of unloading a large amount of Modern staples and it's been interesting to see the disconnect between buyers & sellers, especially in regards to enemy fetches.

    Whenever I list cards on eBay I'll undercut TCGplayer lows with the BIN price and generally accept any offer that's 10-15% less; I've done it the same way for years and my listings rarely make it longer than 5 days before they're sold out (assuming the card listed is a format staple holding value). So I've found it intriguing that out of everything I've listed over the last 2-ish weeks, sales of Tarns, Misty, and Catacombs have been the most stagnant. Over that time, I've been tracking the recently sold listings pretty close along with stores/aggregate pricing trends (MTGoldfish, MTGS, SCG, etc) which continue to show enemy fetches increasing in value and it became clear that those three "upper tier" enemy fetches are at/very close to the max price players are willing to pay. It's not an issue of decreased consumer demand as several Tarns, for example, get sold for $80-$85 a pop every day, rather, it's an issue pertaining to a lopsided distribution of supply where enough of these cards have found their way into the hands of the big players in the secondary market, so any significant de-stock -> price increase by someone like a SCG is enough to inflate the market of that particular card as a whole (or those 3 cards in this example).

    Now the reason I find this so interesting is because the current uncertainty regarding Horizons/ when/where fetches will inevitably get reprinted makes it, so one can make persuasive arguments for both the sellers unwilling to budge due to a potential format-wide interest spike post-horizons as well as the buyers who refuse to pay $100 /Tarn, b/c they know a reprint announcement could pop up at any time. Went a little far down the finance path on that one, but the overarching point was to explain that you can certainly find Catacombs for a (somewhat more) reasonable price if you're willing to stake out ebay's newly listed auctions page and/or make reasonable offers on BIN posts.
    Posted in: Modern
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