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The World of Kamigawa
 
Treasure Cruisin' - Manaless Dredge
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    You do need some creatures to actually have a clock; taking out Geist for more spells like that will leave you unable to close out the game. I run Venser over cryptic because even though cryptic is better in a vacuum you just need some cards to actually kill your opponent with

    Logic Knot might just be a stroke of bad luck but gravehate is just very popular now. I'm on 3 now, I could cut down one for a Negate instead
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    I've been testing a flash build with 4 snap 4 queller 2 clique 2 resto 2 venser as the creature base, it has been an absolute blast to play. I'll post the full list later.

    On the other hand, logic knot is letting me down a lot lately, getting shut down by gravehate, making land drops iffy or forcing me to exile things I'd rather flashback later. I might just go back to mana leak.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Search for Azcanta is so slow though, I'd only want it in very grindy matchups. Do you think you would mainboard it? I'd earlier think sideboard, but if that's the case I think I'd rather have some bomb planeswalkers
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    I agree with theAller here, counterflux is definitely a strong card versus them. Just don't blindly go all-in on it and think about what to do if they do have remand. Gravehate should also severely cripple them and at the least force them to go for Empty the Warrens. I still think the most important skill vs storm is knowing how to deal with Gifts Ungiven

    And of course, yes, if they respond with x but you have y they could still have z but that hypothetical goes on forever, you play to the highest percentage but that percentage is never 100% regardless of matchup. Just two days ago I lost to UB rogue tribal with my jeskai flash build :p
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Quote from chaos021 »
    Keranos is only faster if you're drawing non-lands for every trigger. In any case, good luck to you if you're running Keranos. I'm with CodyX on this one. It's straight up bad.


    And even that's not true lol, Sunny Elspeth's soldiers outrace Keranos easily even if you get a bolt every turn

    Keranos saw play because UR decks saw play and used it, jeskai took over their tech
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Burn should be an easy matchup if you play correctly, both spell queller and lightning helix are busted against them. Just keep fast hands, respect skullcrack effects and think carefully about how you plan your land drops

    affinity should generally be a bye especially now most lists run electrolyze but sometimes you just get etched champion'd; it's kind of the only relevant card in their deck vs us

    Storm is really tough as they essentially present lethal starting from turn 3 onward and gifts makes it hard to get a clock down even at instant speed. I'm fairly certain it is often correct to just slam some threat as early as possible and let them have it because otherwise they can just spend their time sculpting their hand and gather resources. You also have to actively practice gift piles because even though it tends to look like you're boned no matter what you give, there are a lot of percentages to gain there
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Delver Peezy Queller as the creature base of a jeskai tempo list actually does sound really fun. Your curve kind of has to end at 4 quellers after that though
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Quote from chaos021 »
    I can't believe this. Peter Ingram took Nahiri control to a top 8 finish at SCG Classic Charlotte. I watched that guy flub wins away against aggro decks, but somehow he's making Nahiri control work. WTF?!

    Are SCG events really that bad as far as the level of competition or is something else going on?


    Here is the list if people are interested;
    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/794645#paper

    Obvious to say one results means absolutely nothing, but I'm always excited to see results with Nahiri because honestly it's my favourite version of the deck to play. 4 colonnades, cryptics over wraths and 4 sv no opt is interesting
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Quote from chaos021 »
    I've found against Eldrazi Tron, Vizier Elves (what do we call this?) and Abzan, Geist isn't exactly the best plan. When it comes to these known tier decks, Flash Jeskai seems to be better for me in those instances. Vendilion Clique is particularly good for me against Eldrazi Tron as well. I'm not saying leave Geist at home for them because I still need a way to kill my opponent, but having flash and some info is generally as good or better than trying to rely on the Geist plan for me. To each, their own I guess.


    I think you are absolutely right about geist being a lousy wincon vs decks like Etron. But i think this deck ends up just needing the big dumb beatstick at the end of the day as it does not have enough burn in it to rely on it entirely but not enough card advantage to reliably outgrind. Making your wincons slower and more fragile might be risky. I do think i will try out a full Flash list myself eventually
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    This deck is already so heavy on the 3, I don't think I want Clique, and sideboard space is cramped as always. Going lower on Geist I'm skeptical of, I've even been thinking of going up to 4 as getting one killed can be really devastating. Resto could work as she's a little less fragile but shares a deckslot with Cryptic, so I'm not sure I'd want more than one

    For now I've been boarding out some number of geists for any matchup where stabilizing is crucial and closing the game is secondary, like affinity, but I have found myself without a wincon a lot or having to rely on a Queller carrying something scary, and praying it doesnt die. I don't think that boarding out more than one geist (going down to 2) is really ever correct with these kinds of lists.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    I'd like to discuss sideboarding a bit, as this is still very much all over the place when I look at different lists. Many run some number lf relics, which I am not a fan of but might just be a necessary evil if ignoring grave decks is not an option

    I often find myself with a lack of good wincons postboard in matchups where I'd like to board out geist, so either boarding out geist is just entirely wrong or some alternative wincons are needed to come in
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    I'm tired of the Opt vs SV argument as noone is ever convincing anyone of anything ever, but I do want to say; there is nothing "marginal" about SV's addition to your land drops, as there is nothing subjective here; Frank Kartsten straight up did the math. X cantrips and Y scrying gives you a probability of seeing Z lands, the same amount as adding lands would increase the probability. This is all objective math.

    That is not the entirety of the story as you actually need to cast cantrips, which is why playing 20 cantrips with 18 lands is a very bad idea even if the math works out, and Opt's instant speed gives you more room to cast it even though SV is more powerful statisticallly. THAT is where the wiggle room lies and where some people prefer 6 cantrips or 4, or SV or Opt. But let's just please God stop arguing what land base "feels right" or how scrying is "marginal" when the objective data is available
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Im currently on 22 but I feel I want half a land extra. You do want 3 colonnades as they are needed to close out many games, otherwise 2 colonnade with 22 lands would have probably been fine. I used 2x spirebluff canal originally but 2x sulfur falls ended up feeling better. I might want one extra island (going to 3) as you fetch for basic island a lot
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    I've done some testing now and I'll bite the bullet to switch over to a geist list for the meantime. Although Nahiri has some better matchups (mostly UW control and eldrazi) geist just has a lot of free random wins

    Opt has been great for me, and I think I will stick with 4 opt 3 sv, mostly because eot snap opt is an excellent way to get pressure going without having to go shields down
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Abzan is almost universally a bad MU for jeskai regardless of builds

    If Lingering Souls is played right, ie one half at a time, it is incredibly taxing on us. Many Abzan players overextend however and get 4-6 tokens blown up at once
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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