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  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (Rules Update 27/10/17)
    Quote from Skitzafreak »


    Do I think Modern is healthy? Yes of course I do. I'm just sad of the current state we're in because Lantern Control is my deck and Tron is it's worst match up Frown
    Well, then I guess there is one good thing about Tron, if it keeps that cancer in check.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (Rules Update 27/10/17)
    Quote from Ym1r »
    My take on the GP is the following:

    Top 8 looks horrendous. 5x Big mana decks, 2 graveyard combo decks and 1 combo deck.

    HOWEVER, if one looks at the top 32, the image looks much healthier and the top 8 can be explained. There are a lot of control decks (3 Jeskai Queller, 2 Jeskai Control, 1 Grixis control, 1 UW control),


    Just a little correction, that is: 3 Jeskai Queller, 1 Jeskai Control, 2 UW Control and 1 grixis control.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Grand Prix Oklahoma City discussion
    3 big tron, 2 titanshift, 1 dredge, 1 living end, 1 jeskai breach...
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [Offtopic] Community Thread
    Edgar Markov continuing his victorious march on MTGO Commander 1vs1:
    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/tournament/commander-1-v-1-challenge-11012800#paper
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on [Primer] UWr Midrange
    I have now sent this message to the mods, so let's see if something happens:

    Can a moderator please move this thread to tier 1 where it belongs as soon as possible? The thread is dying, and is being overtaken by the "Jeskai Control"-thread, because it's wrongfully placed under "developing competitive ". Toroks
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    I'm posting this in the Jeskai Control thread as well as the UWR Midrange thread (where it was originally posted).

    Why does it matter where it (edit: discussion about Jeskai Midrange/tempo) happens so long as it's happening?

    You know we used to have a moderator that, as well as updating the tiers regularly, cared a lot about the order and structure in this forum and he would have gasped to statements like the one you just made. I think most people knew he did an important job here, but I would never have guessed things would go completely off rails like it has after he left...

    These threads on mtgsalvation are more than just chat forums. They go many years back and are valuable and important documentation of the history and tradition of the archetypes of modern magic. And now the jeskai threads are falling into complete chaos because people don't seem to care about categorization anymore. People who want to discuss hard control with 4 snaps or 3 snaps/1 gearhulk are drowning in midrange talk...

    It shouldn't be so hard to understand: This thread is about jeskai/UWR midrange with a reasonable amount of creatures, while the Jeskai/UWR Control forum is about hard control with snapcaster as the main creature. The decks with ~11 creatures that are doing well these days clearly belongs in the midrange thread.

    And to people who come to the midrange thread and tell people to head to the incorrect thread instead: Please stop doing that, you're not helping.
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on [Primer] UWr Midrange
    Quote from chaos021 »
    Quote from tlhunter07 »
    Quote from toroks »
    Quote from tlhunter07 »


    Sadly, pretty much all UWR discussions are being held in the Jeskai Control forum. Pretty frustrating, given that the Geist list is def a tempo/midrange list even though it's playing Cryptic Command.

    Cryptic Command is not a "control"-specific card. It has been played in tempo, midrange, delver-decks (like RUG Delver), splinter Twin etc. through the history of modern. Vjeran Horvat has always been playing some number of cryptics in Jeskai Midrange, like when he won GP Prague 2014: http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=6436&d=236995&f=MO
    It's a great tempo-card, with the option to tap down blockers and swing with geist etc. and bounce problematic permanents before going for the win.


    I didn't say that it wasn't. many people view Cryptic as a control card. My point was that the discussion was moved to the Jeskai control forum.


    Why does it matter where it happens so long as it's happening?

    You know we used to have a moderator that, as well as updating the tiers regularly, cared a lot about the order and structure in this forum and he would have gasped to statements like the one you just made. I think most people knew he did an important job here, but I would never have guessed things would go completely off rails like it has after he left...

    These threads on mtgsalvation are more than just chat forums. They go many years back and are valuable and important documentation of the history and tradition of the archetypes of modern magic. And now the jeskai threads are falling into complete chaos because people don't seem to care about categorization anymore. People who want to discuss hard control with 4 snaps or 3 snaps/1 gearhulk are drowning in midrange talk...

    It shouldn't be so hard to understand: This thread is about jeskai/UWR midrange with a reasonable amount of creatures, while the Jeskai/UWR Control forum is about hard control with snapcaster as the main creature. The decks with ~11 creatures that are doing well these days clearly belongs in the midrange thread.

    And to people who come to the midrange thread and tell people to head to the incorrect thread instead: Please stop doing that, you're not helping.
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
  • posted a message on [Primer] UWr Midrange
    Quote from tlhunter07 »


    Sadly, pretty much all UWR discussions are being held in the Jeskai Control forum. Pretty frustrating, given that the Geist list is def a tempo/midrange list even though it's playing Cryptic Command.

    Cryptic Command is not a "control"-specific card. It has been played in tempo, midrange, delver-decks (like RUG Delver), splinter Twin etc. through the history of modern. Vjeran Horvat has always been playing some number of cryptics in Jeskai Midrange, like when he won GP Prague 2014: http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=6436&d=236995&f=MO
    It's a great tempo-card, with the option to tap down blockers and swing with geist etc. and bounce problematic permanents before going for the win.
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
  • posted a message on [Primer] UWr Midrange
    We are now top tier! Now it would be very nice if the mods will move us up where we rightfully belong.

    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
  • posted a message on [Featured Thread -] WUR Delver
    Quote from ashtonkutcher »
    Quote from toroks »
    Ok, Chart a Course, do we have time to durdle around with it? It should be awesome in slow and grindy matchups, obviously, but how about the fast ones? Any experience?

    I think it should require at least 8 one-drop creatures, as only 4 delvers doesn't make it consistent. It has anti-synergy with Swiftspear, so maybe in a Steppe Lynx-build? The extra card draw from chart should fuel him good. Gonna try something like this, I think:


    I've always been turned off by the tension between Delver and Steppe --- one requires us to play many i/s, the other many lands, and a successful Delver shell in UWx probably wants Queller and Snapcaster, meaning it's tough to fit all that stuff. But I also love Lynx's implications with Chart a Course (makes drawing fetchlands great again) and think you may be on to something here. I'll mess around too; the primary question I think we should look to answer is what the optimal numbers are for creatures/spells/lands. Once/if we find an internally consistent shell, we can consider matchups etc.

    I've been testing Chart a Course with this this list in some matches now, and I'm not sure about it... It works very well against decks with little removal, like company decks, death and taxes etc., but it's not that good against removal-heavy decks like Jeskai midrange, jund/abzan etc., and those are probably the matchups where the card advantage is needed the most. I think I'll go back to gaining card advantage with Electrolyze and Cryptic Command, which have the added benefit of dealing with swarms, bouncing problematic permanents and generally being better tempo plays by affecting the board.

    Maybe my creatures are just too fragile for chart and that it's better with Pyromancer tokens and hexproof geist. Might be worth trying.
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
  • posted a message on [Featured Thread -] WUR Delver
    Quote from Sei »
    Hello, I'd like some feedback on my list. I'm trying to make this deck extremely tempo oriented, so I'm playing 4 Remands and a lot of burn. Boros Charm has been nice and the couple of Dispels seems fine in the current meta. I only play 2 Path to exile because I don't like seeing them in the early game. The deck has a nice curve and can finish games rather quickly. I found that I dont like wraths and angers very much, so I've been testing with Magus of the Moat and it works. I usually take out the Geist for the Magus and improves a lot the match against Dredge and Aggro swarm strategies without hurting my own creatures. Overall I'm happy, I struggle a bit against hard control, Eldratron and burn, so I'll be happy to hear some advice, thanks!.


    Serum Visions is pretty mandatory with delver to set up the flip. They are also the best card to find your 20 lands, which is a bit few considering your high curve of 12 3+ drops, counting snappy. I would go up to 21 with that curve, and switch out Opts for Serum Visions. 4 Remands are probably a bit much these days, as they are weak in many matchups. I would switch out some with leak or knot.

    How do you deal with Death's Shadow, Tasigur, Angler, Goyfs, Thoughtknot Seers etc etc without paths?
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Quote from Bearscape »
    I think it's best to put it like this; affinity has a ton of hands that get crushed by us and a few that are really strong versus us, whilst we have a ton of hands that crush then and a few that are too slow

    From back when we were allowed to do matchup statistics, we saw that Jeskai Midrange was favored 63%, while the slower Jeskai Control was actually winning only 48%:
    http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/150/664/635919895403389520.jpg
    Same story with the burn-matchup.
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on [Featured Thread -] WUR Delver
    Ok, Chart a Course, do we have time to durdle around with it? It should be awesome in slow and grindy matchups, obviously, but how about the fast ones? Any experience?

    I think it should require at least 8 one-drop creatures, as only 4 delvers doesn't make it consistent. It has anti-synergy with Swiftspear, so maybe in a Steppe Lynx-build? The extra card draw from chart should fuel him good. Gonna try something like this, I think:


    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    If they resolve an Etched Champion, you're most often toast... Ravager can also be a tough nut. And sometimes your hand is just too slow. Also, queller is not a guaranteed success when they have galvanic blast, and they may have nasty surprises postboard, like blood moon and thoughtseize.
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Grixis Death's Shadow
    Quote from Spooly »

    I don't think Grixis is meaningfully better vs. GY hate. Grixis has Snapcaster + delve creatures, Jund/5 color has Goyf + Traverse. Grixis has the edge vs. Rest in Peace because sometimes you can get a delve creature into play before it resolves, and a small edge from Snapcaster doing a little more than Traverse when under RiP or Leyline.

    Jund/5 color do have access to Abrupt Decay to kill Rest in Peace, though, so that can also be a factor.
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
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